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leader leaves hundreds of people dead. >> we'll discuss the situation in the region and the us response with republican congressman of new york and senator rumenthal of connecticut. the obama is forced to play defense. >> this is no longer a political debate. this is what we call the law. >> the president claims that this law is working the way it is supposed to. but clearly it is not. >> we'll ask our sunday panel about the political hall out. all right here on fox news sunday. >> more tough questions for the nsa after the washington post reported this week that the agency violated policy rules.
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>> nation's most secretive spy agency intercepted e-mails and calls during that time and did not report the unauthorized surveillance. joining us with reaction is senator rand paul. senator, welcome back to fox news sunday. good to be with you. >> good morning. >> it was a little more than a week ago that the president insisted to the american people that there was oversight of the program and there was no talk of abuses. >> what you are not reading about is, the government actually abusing these programs. and listening in on people's phone calls or reading people's e-mails. what you are hearing about is the prospect that these could be
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abused. >> senator paul, what do you make of that statement now that this new information has come to light? >> you know, i think that the president missunderstands the constitutional powers. the checks and balances come from independent branchs of government. if they tell him everything is okay, that the nsa can police themselves. one of the things that our founders put in place was they wanted to separate police power from the judiciary power. they didn't want police to write warrants. they wanted an independent responsive to the people with open debate in public. i think these programs need to be questioned and there needs to be a supreme court decision that looks to be constitution al or
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not. >> the foreign intelligence court does not have jurisdiction, does that need to change? >> they may not have jurisdiction but they are only hearing one side of this. if you were to go sit down in a room, you have no means of challenging that. you have no means of alternative information without this leak we wouldn't know of this internal audit. we wouldn't have known that james clapp eper lied to us or senate. yes, they are collecting billions of data on american cell phones every day. a lot of these violations were unintentional but the nsa chose
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not to report this, does that need to change? >> well, they chose not to report the program period. they said they weren't looking at american data or moan caphon and it turns out that they are looking at millions of phone calls every day. there is a similarity between this scandal and others. the president thinks that the irs can do it themselves. he thought the state department could do an internal audit also. the director of national intelligence lied to the senate and greatly damaged the community. he said we had a power point presentation. we had lawyers come together and the only way to find justice is you have to find both sides.
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you have to be more skeptical in the nsa i think before the supreme court on this program. >> when congress comes back to capitol hill in a couple of weeks do you think there needs to be congressional hearings opaon all of this? >> the hard part is we hear one side also. the nsa comes and tells their side and tells us how they foiled these plots. when there is a discussion back and forth. we discover that they did not use this program to get anyone. i think they got most of the terrorists if not all of the plots by good old fashioned police work by getting war rapts on people whom they were sussuspicious of. i'm for surveillance of spies but not for this gross bulk b h
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gathering of data. >> but with more oversight into that program, with more duty to report compliance in other aspects of it. would you be comfortable with it to let it go ahead? >> you know, i think it would be better with more oversight but there are some things that they are doing that i think are unconstitution al. they said a single warrant goes towards a specific individual and what you want to look fore. you ask a judge and you say john smith we think is doing this. the constitution doesn't allow for a single warrant to get a billion phone records. they get a bill that says we want all of the phone calls. they are looking at all of the cell phone calls in america
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every day. also don't think it is good police work. i think we get over whelmed with data and we don't notice when someone goes back to another country his name is misspelled and we need people to do certain data on people we have s suspicious of. >> let me talk to you about obamacare. you support the defunding of it. but you don't believe it is going to happen and get through the senate. your only leave then is to not approve the continuing resolution. that would shut down the government which you had stated publicly is not a good idea. what do you have left here, senator? >> i don't think shutting down the government is a good idea.
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i do think we were elected to stop this overreach this government takeover of health care. i think insurance premiums will rise and i think the people they want to help, the working class and the poor won't have insurance and they are going to have a penalty. people want us to stand up and fight. we should use the leverage of controlling one third of the government. they should stand up, use that power to make this lawless bad, delay it. do something we can to protect the american public from this law and or if we do nothing, you say hey, you get your way. when the government is divided we should control part of dpo government to get the law more to our liking.
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you are talking about trying to pass the bill in the house. they might delay the individual mandate, but there are plenty of bills that have gone to conference and so the laws neglected as it is. >> you know, i don't know. i think there is always a great desire not to shut the government down. to use that not to get a compromise. you could make the lawless bad or delay the whole thing. even the president is concerned about this law because he is delaying the mandate because he is concerned it may be about what could happen in the elections. when it is seen that insurance premiums go up. >> you have said that you would not go for a continuing resolution in the senate if it includes funding for obamacare.
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but the house did the same thing as you suggested that you would. that would shut down the government because the resolution wouldn't pass. if you are trying to have it both ways while the house has to have it one way. >> i think what would happen is that the house would come to the senate and then the senate would approve obamacare funding. >> and then a compromise would be achieved. but it is only achieved if the house stands up and believes that it will hurt people. if they stand up and they are strong i think the strength would be used to achieve a comprom ice. but there are many conservatives like myself saying obamacare is going to be a disaster for the
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country. they say stand firm, stand up and try to stop this, because it is going to be bad for the country. >> harry reid was recently asked if the ultimate goal of the program was to move to a single pay you're system. yes, yes absolutely yes. if they tried to move to a single pay you're system, what would be your response? >> i think it is amazing that policieses are forth right. people need to think bit. the goal may mean that everybody in the country gets medicaid. i think it is a bad idea. 85% of us had health insurance. we should have tried to fix it for the people who had it instead of those who isn't.
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our main concern was the price rising. he's actually made insurance more expensive because of his man da mandates and making the insurance cover more items. >> calling on the president to end foreign assistance egypt. that relationship allows american milt military over flights and if you were to remove that assistance, could you damage your relationship that the united states need to have with an important ally in the middle east? >> well the law is what the law is. and the president is in defiance of the law. when there is a military take over our aid must end. not that it might end.
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>> but there are way to avoid that. the question. >> >>: ending military said egypt be a prudent thing to do? >> yes. because the thing is, i don't think we are buying any love of the egyptian people when they see an american tank on the street, do you think that buys any friendship with the egyptian people? >> what happens is foreign aid egypt is more likely to buy a chateut. they see our aid as something to goes to the people that are dictate tors that have been taking away our rights and they see it stolen. he had fancy homes all around the world with our money.
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it shows nothing but american weakness to continue it. those who want to continue to say we are projecting american power and american weakness. it shows that we are so weak that we will not adhere to their own conditions on this aid. the egyptians continue to do the same thing. when they roll tanks over protesters that is not something that most americans would support. >> i would like to look at politics for a second. there has been a public spat between your camp and the chris christie camp. after governor christie's statements about the republican party should be trying to win elections. we shouldn't be the party of ideas and we shouldn't care what
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we care for. pry vytice many is the problem not the solution. and your father came out and said he offers nothing. do you agree with your father? >> well, i would say the party is big enough for both of us. and in fact, we don't need to, this all started with him saying we don't have room for libertarian republicans. that is how we grow our party. we care about the right to privacy. i think that will bring new people to our party. the party in the northeast is shri shrinking. so, saying there is no room for us was a big mistake on our
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part. but again, do you agree with your father when he says governor christie offers nothing? >> what i would say is that there is room for people who believe in bigger government in our party. i think that some of the things that he seems to have promoted make us believe that he thinks that there is a lot more spending that could go on. i think that national defense is actually to be very, very frugal with other spending. >> senator, good to talk to you this morning. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> with the continuing turmoil in egypt. a lot of eyes are on the u.s. and it's response. two key lawmakers are kcoming u next. what happened so we could be a better, safer what happeenergy company.
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while we want to sustain our relationship with egypt. as a result, this morning we notified the government that we are canceling the meeting which was scheduled for next month. president obama criticizing the growing violence with egypt. they are considering to ban the
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muslim brotherhood. leiland vitter has the latest. good afternoon. >> reporter: good afternoon john the muslim brotherhood's week of rage surrounded the supreme court there as they had intelligence as gunman were headed there. th yesterday gunman used the mosque to fire out at the crowd but also at the army down below. as the police came out, they were greeted by cheers from the surrounding groups there. the military is now thinking of
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outlawing the muslim brother hood including the leader of al qaeda and a jihadist there. today on the streets there has been a return to normalcy. it is important to note, despite the blood shed the army has widespread popular support. it is proving to be more of a violent militant organization than a peaceful militant group. >> thank you very much. joining us now to talk about this republican congressman pete king of new york and democratic senator. gentlemen, they for joining us. let's go back to the president and his reaction. >> we don't take sides to any
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political party of political figure. it is tempting inside of egypt to blame the united states or west side for what has gone wrong. we have been blamed by the other side as if we are supporters of morsi. >> senator blum eeenthal, the president appear to have alien ated both sides. >> a gree with the president that the people of egypt have to decide their own fate. the practical reality is that most of the military aid for this fiscal year has been obligated and delivered. in fact all of it except for four f-16's and some helicopters. looking forward i think that the
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approach has to be the condition our future aid on specific steps toward the rule of law and the return to democracy and aid in blocks that are condition ed which is contained in the amendment offered to senators lahey and gram which will come to the floor. >> should the president as senators graham mccain and rand paul suggested cut off all aid or as you are calling in the senate, make it condition al? >> we shouldn't cut off all aid. there are no good choices here. but of the two, there is more opportunity to protect american interest if we work with the military and continue our relationship with the military.
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al qaeda should not be able to gain a foothold. i don't think that could be done with the muslim brotherhood. i would be reluctant to be cutting off aid. we should lean on the military to the extent that we can. i would not allow to undercut them. they have shown that they are not capable of democracy. i would think a stable government would respect the human rights of the minority. i don't know if at this moment in time a democracy is in store for egypt. to the extent that we would influence that. >> do you agree with that? >> well, democracy is in the eye of the beholder. it is unique in the world, we are the greatest nation in the
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history of the world. we have a unique respect for the rights of minorities and individuals. we can impose our own vision of democracy on a country like israel. we have access to air space over egypt. the inassistance that the sibor doer der be policed and closer consultation with some of our allies in the region. the gulf states on what our approach egypt going forward should be. i think we will find that aid that we will with hold is spen sated by said that the gulf states will hold. so i disagree with senator paul
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on eliminating aid and canceling it entirely. i do by the way agree with senator paul that the fisa court needs to hear both sides that we have to have a special advocate. a specific blueprint that i have offered which the president seemed to endorse. >> sing you bring it up, nsa director keith alexander was there at the end of last month, that they are complying with the law and there are appropriate checks and balances. i think it is important to understand the strict oversight that goes in on these programs. the assumption is that people are out there wheeling and dealing and nothing could be further from the truth. we have tremendous oversight and
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compliance with these programs. >> congressman, you are a staunch defender of these programs. it is clear that mistakes are being made and in many cases they are not reporting those mistakes. i fully disagree with what senator rand paul said. that was a grab bag coming from him. take rand paul's own numbers. it is not really true. but assume he is right for once. you jux oppose that with violations which were self reported. you are talking about 1900 of them being foreigners when they came to the u.s. it wasn't transferred over the way that it was supposed to be. the others were, records that were kept by accident. to me a scandal is somehow using
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force to go after them. what over mistakes were made that is better than most media people do, and i have a tremendous respect for the tone of snooping and spying that we use. it is a distortion and a smear on good americans. >> hang on for a second. you said that everything was self reported by the nsa. you said the documents clearly show that the violations were not clearly reported at least not to the court whose members cham they do not have the power to initiate. is there a problem here? >> it worked. if you have 99.99% compliance and you have self reporting errors. this becomes part of an overall
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ig report. i am satisfied that -- john, who else in government -- >> did you know congressman king all of what was reported by the end of the week? >> it was all available. and it shows that the system works. >> anything in that report that came to light at the end of the week that bother you? >> there is a lot that bothers me and i share congressman king's respect for the brave and dedicated men and women who do our national security work. the problem is with the system. it is a black box. the fisa court is a secret tribu tribuneal making secret law and a lot of it completely unavailable to the foreign intelligence committee.
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i believe there need to be changes in the fisa court. and i would establish a special advocate who would be in place for representing a special constitution. no delay. and warrants to be issued as much as they are now. but, also a change in the method of collecting the court to represent greater diversity and transparency in the operation. i think we are at a critical junk tour a turning point because there needs to be continued surveillance and intelligence gathering but the trust of the system is gravely at risk and that is why we need these reforms. >> it is clear this is going to be a big topic of discussion when congress returns after the
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labor day weekend. >> nancy pelosi said press reports with the national security agency broke privacy rules thousands of times a year and we sought to shield privacy v violations are disturbing. >> do you think she is way off in left field here? >> i think she is wrong. let me say this raises a larger issue. it is up to the president to come forward and defend her. a number of us are defending the program. the president of the united states should be out there and a lot of these distortions are able to take hold. the president has been relatively silent. he should be out there addressing the nation on this going into detail and if there have to be reforms, fine. let's address them. i fully agree with his tone and attitude and that is an area
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that we can discussion. what bothers me is that some talk about corrupt operations going on here. let's have an intelligent debate on that. >> you have declared your desire to run for president in 2016. maybe you will have a chance to defend the program. thank you for joining us today. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> next, more on this week's revelation that the agency broke rules many times. what happens when the nation's super secret spy agency gets slop sloppy? 
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a general impression has taken hold around the world that somehow we are taking in information willy nilly information about everybody and doing what we please with it and that is not the case. >> the new revelations in the washington post seem to contradict contradict. mistakes are a part of life. >> i mean not necessarily in
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context as congressman king just side of the overall calls that are being put into work that the nsa is doing. the only question here is there any evidence that the government is abusing it's power to spy on american peoples? >> we still do not have any evidence of that? >> do you believe that? >> anytime our privacy is at stake americans have to take that seriously. there needs to be an advocate for privacy. there need to be more resources so that the branchs of government can police this thing. 80% of the violations were either technical in nature or involved typographical errors and 100% of them were in add vertant. there is not a conspiracy out
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there where they are listening in on our conversations. >> congressman, you know, you came out strongly on this topic the other day, that a lot of these violations -- >> congress largely kept in the dark, the foreign intelligence court kept in the dark. apparently the president isn't aware. so when you have the 4th amendment at stake here and by reference the first amendment we have an obligation here. it appears that they have gone rogue and we have to insist that they be reigned in. and go back to having a country that works on the 4th amendment to be protected against unreasonable search and seizure.
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go get a warrant. >> i don't think this is nsa gone rogue. i think this is a large agency making mistakes. which is troubling. we need more information and we need more oversight that is great. your right to privacy needs to be balanced against my right and your right against a terrorist attack. >> this is a good debate to be had. we had a lot of information now. true to know what does work to prevent an attack. one of the things that senator paul brings up. is that there is so much information that we are losing good information on the ground that -- >> how do you ever sit through it all? >> to push back here throw, we want a program that does the job
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effectively and safeguards the right. >> the court needs more oversight in general. a lot of smart people have looked at this and pointed out that the most effective way that the executive branch that puts these things into place that does the job is to know that it is politically responsible that it goes wrong when it doesn't work. you are layering on when it goes badly everybody gets to point their fingers and say now we need a commission as to what went wrong. 10% of the errors are t typographical errors. the system ant able to tell the difference between that. i think it is healthy that
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dennis and senator paul is working on this. anytime our privacy is at steak you want to work on this. there weren't enough resources to work on this. around whether you call in an advocate or not. we need someone in there standing up for the prafivacy rights. >> i will say this again. i voted against the patriot act. most members of congress had 12 hours of hearings. they swapped the bill out and had the draconian powers for government. if we don't take a stand for privacy here. we would let the nsa redefine this for americans. >> on one side you have no big deal and on the other side you
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have them saying no nsa. >> i think everyone agrees that privacy rights are more important. if you don't have the debate. they scoop up the phone records of 3,000 people in washington d.c. >> isn't the point hear what evidence is there of abuse? >> 100% of the mistakes were unintentional. but it is not the government out there recording our conversations. >> i would say the term scandal and you know agency gone rogue is applied to this. this is a program the bones of this program are needed i think. and we need to make sure that there is oversight. >> cia, hello. what is the nsa about? >> they have overreached into
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people's private lives. >> when we come back. new jersey governor christie. is this feud good for the candidates but bad for the party? coming up next. psh
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. another delay for obamacare will republicans be able to take advantage? >> the republican's plan to to try to defund this thing. do you think that they have a chance at doing that? >> i don't. they control one chamber. and i think it is a mistake to pick a fight like that, that you can't win.
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when you throthe threaten to sh the government it is a mistake on the part of the republicans that want to do that. >> he said he would like to see the mandate delayed? >> it is unfair to delay the mandate and then say to people, by the way, you have to have health fshanc aninsurance? >> it is not fair. it is starting to look like a train where they are decoupling an engine who is on it? >> we have a for profit system where the insurance companies who keep raising their rates and they are winning. already americans are growing broke and this thing is a mess.
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>> it is that and also you have to look at the thing that is they have delayed in terms of the mandate and the out of pocket limits. are they doing that because they realize what this is going to do to insurance premiums? >> we are likely to see an explosion in the fall. this alongside of the fact that they are trying to sign people up for this. do you know how many people don't sign up for medicaid? it is there, available to them, one in four people eligible don't sign up? >> there is another piece of this that has come to light. the person was asking was the ultimate goal to move it to a single payor system. >> what we have done here is a step in the right direction.
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but we are far from having something that is going to work. >> yes. >> absolutely yes. work beyond insurance. is that the ultimate goal here? >> like all of us that give lots and lots of interviews. the important thing is to try and deal with the law that is on the books now. >> it is a large complex piece of legislation. changes have to be made. the administration is showing a pragmatic streak here. the most important thing is what can we do to get the costs down. if we delay the mandate that may help in the short run but you have to look at the life time caps. so we are going to be a year or two before we know how this is going to play out. if you repealed the whole thing
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you would see costs go up. you know, that is going to vary from state to state. >> let's get into some of that. it was rolling out new tools to try to match the democrats in their big data collection. they got handed hatheir lunch o that front. does the rnc have a chance to beat the democrats? >> yes, i think the democrats outstruck republicans on 2012 on the get out the vote effort and frankly in fairness to the republican ticket had the time to build that infrastructure. the other thing is there is going to be this interesting split with the republican party coming up where they clearly are
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going to have a strong voice in the next round. >> what do you make of the span between christie and paul? >> i think it reflects what ought to be happening inside of a party. should we be intervening or spying. >> you know what, politics -- >> when you look at the potential field 2016 candidates, you have ruby, oh ryan, jim bush, condoleeza rise and then you have hillary. the fact that the republican field is so broad is that a good or bad thing? >> it is a hopeful thing. you could have positive debates. on the strong policy issues, this could be a race to the top. the question is going to be whether this is mud slinging or
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i grew up in a minister's home and we always had church and auditoriums and traditional sanctuaries. that's what everybody did. but in 2005, god gave us this beautiful facility. now, we have church in a former sports arena. that's something that i had never seen. i worked 17 years behind the scenes at the church doing the television production and i thought that's how i would spend my life. but when my father went to be with the lord, i was suddenly thrust into this position. now, instead of being behind the cameras, i'm in front of the cameras. that was something i had never seen. in 2009, the new york yankees were about to open their new baseball stadium. one of their staff members called and asked if we would come and hold a night of hope. the first non-baseball event in the new stadium. out of all the entertainers, musicians, artists, in the
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world, they called a minister. that was something i had never seen. i want you to get this down in your spirit. god is about to do something in your life that you've never seen. (applause) i'm not just sharing another message. i'm speaking prophetically. god is about to take you where you could not go on your own. god is about to show you favor in ways that you've never imagined. it's going to be unprecedented, out of the norm, unlike anything that you've seen. maybe you've struggled in your finances for years. you can't seem to get ahead. one step forward, two steps backward. no, god is about to show you abundance like you've never seen. he's about to increase you to where you have overflow. you lend and not borrow, not burdened down by debt and lack. some of you have fought depression, discouragement, your whole life. that dark
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cloud follows you around. and you think that's the way it's always going to be. no, take heart. god is going to show you joy like you've never seen. that spirit of depression, discouragement, is being broken. god is going to release a new happiness, a passion that you've not experienced before. maybe you've struggled with an addiction, a bad habit for a long time. be encouraged. god's going to show you freedom that you've never seen. some of you have felt a little insecure, intimidated, like you don't quite measure up. you think that's the way you'll always live. no, god's about to show you a confidence, a boldness, where you can step into the fullness of your destiny. god is saying "creativity like you've never seen." "promotion, opportunity, like you've never seen." "healing, restoration, favor, like you've never seen." that's the promise god made in exodus 34:10.
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"i will do great things that i've never done before anywhere on earth." we've all seen god's goodness in the past. every one of us can say, "god has blessed us, promoted us, protected us." but what god is about to do is going to be unprecedented. now, all you've got to do is say, "yes, lord, this is for me today. i receive this into my spirit." see, your mind will try to talk you out of it and tell you all the reasons why it's not going to happen for you. you're too old, too young, you've made too many mistakes, you don't have the education. if you were just a different nationality, if you just knew the right people. no, listen, god is not limited by your age, education, your connections, your resources. in spite of what you have or don't have, you need to get ready. god is about to show you something that you've never seen.
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he's about to take you where you could not go on your own. in john, chapter 9, jesus was traveling through a village. he saw a man on the side of the road that was blind. he went over to this man. the man didn't call out to jesus. he wasn't like blind bartameus that said, "please jesus, have mercy and heal me." this man was just quietly sitting there and jesus went to him. and throughout the scripture, there are examples where people use their faith and reached out to god and they received their miracle. the woman with the issue of blood fought her way through the crowd, touched the edge of jesus' robe. she was instantly made whole. the lepers cried out, "jesus, please heal us." jesus healed them. an army captain came and said, "jesus, if you'll just speak the word, my little daughter at home that's so sick, she'll be healed." jesus spoke and the daughter was well.
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these people all initiated their miracle. they reached out in faith and saw god's goodness. but god is so merciful. he's so loving. there are times like with this blind man, even when we don't have the faith, even when we don't reach out, god reaches out to us. if it would have just been dependent on our faith, on what we believe, on what we're asking for, jesus would have never stopped to help this blind man. he didn't show any signs of faith. he was just sitting there minding his own business, yet jesus went to him. he had been blind since his birth, had never seen before. this is much different from someone that had sight at one time and becomes blind. at least they would have a memory of what things look like. this man, blind since birth, had never seen a sunset, never seen a flower, never seen a person.
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he had nothing to draw upon having never seen before. and it's interesting, jesus didn't say anything to him. he didn't try to figure out if he had faith, try to figure out what he believed. jesus simply made mud, put it on the blind man's eyes, told him to go wash it off in the pool of salome. some friends led him to the pool, he washed it off, and his eyes were instantly opened. he could see perfectly clearly. i can imagine for the first time, he looked out and saw the puffy cloud in the sky. for the first time, he looked down and saw a beautiful flower. no doubt, he ran home as fast as he could, and for the first time, he saw his children, his wife. that night, he looked up into the sky. for the first time, he saw the stars twinkling, the moonlight glimmering off the lake. what happened? god showed him something he had never seen.
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god wants to do the same thing for you. some of you think that you've reached your limits, gone as far as you can go. the medical report doesn't look good. now you've settled there. you've been single a long time, you don't think you'll ever meet the right person. or you took a step of faith, but the business, the charity, the project, didn't make it. now you don't see how you could accomplish your dreams. but like with this man, even when we don't have the faith, even when we think it's impossible; "joel, it's too late, i tried, i failed, it's never going to happen." no, god is going to come looking for you and show you his favor like you've never seen. god wants to give you some first times. for the first time, you're free from pain, healthy, whole, strong. for the first time, you have more than enough. you're not struggling, you're into overflow. for the first time, your whole
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family is serving god. for the first time, you're living in the house of your dreams. for the first time, you're running the whole office. you thought you'd always be working for people. now you've got people working for you. you need to get ready, god has some first times in your future. part of this shift is god is going to show you something that you've never seen before. you may not have faith for it. it may seem too far out. that's okay. god's going to come looking for you. he's going to get you to where you're supposed to be. it's going to be bigger than you imagined. it's going to be unprecedented, something that you've never seen. that means if you've seen it in the past, that's good, be grateful, always thank god for what he's done. but what god is about to do is greater than what you've seen. when god gave us this beautiful facility, this was ephesians
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3:20, "exceedingly, abundantly, above and beyond." this was more than i could ever imagine. in fact, i'm still amazed every time i pull up to this facility. i still get goose bumps when i go over to my old seats right over there where i watched the rockets play basketball for years. but as amazing as this all is, i realize what god is about to do is going to supersede anything he's done in the past. (applause) when god shows you something that you've never seen, it's going to boggle your mind. the reason god doesn't just rely on our faith is because some of what he's going to show you is so far out, so amazing, so rewarding, you couldn't have faith for it right now. like this blind man, god is so good, even when we don't believe, even when we don't have the faith, god will show up and do it anyway.
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before jesus healed the blind man, the disciples asked, "jesus, who sinned? this man or his parents? that would cause him to be born blind?" jesus said, "nobody sinned. he was born this way so the works of god could be manifest." in other words, when that baby was born, god already knew exactly when he was going to heal him. there was a time already set by the creator of the universe and at that appointed time, god opened his eyes and showed him something that he had never seen. in your life, right now, there are set times. god has already established the date when he's going to do something unprecedented in your life. you don't have to worry. you don't have to be discouraged because it hasn't happened yet. you don't have to give in to doubt and think, "oh, i'm never going to get well. i'll never accomplish a dream. i'll never get married."
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no, those moments of favor are already established in your future. if you'll just keep honoring god, being your best, you will suddenly come into one of your set times. god will do something out of the ordinary. you didn't go after it; it came to you. you didn't even have the faith for it. what you were praying about was only a fraction of what god had in mind. one scripture talks about the faith of god. normally, we think about our faith. how we need to pray big and believe big and take the limits off of god and that's important. we should do that. but god has things in your future, set times that he's already established that are so big, so amazing, so rewarding, god knew you couldn't have faith for it right now. if you would have told me a few years ago that one day i would be up in front of people and have the platform that i have, i would have said, "thank you for believing in me but you've got
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the wrong person." god knows there are things in our future that we won't have the faith for. but that doesn't stop god. when you run out of faith, there's a secret weapon. it's called the faith of god. when god releases his faith, you can be certain doors will open that should not have opened. talent will come out of you that you didn't know you had. the right people will search you out. healing, promotion, increase, will show up in ways like you've never seen before. i know some of you think, "well, joel, i don't have much faith." that's okay, the faith of god will get you to where you're supposed to be. when your faith is low, don't worry, you have a friend that will never let you down. when you have doubts, don't worry, he has faith. when you don't think it's going to happen, that's all right, he's got you covered. the faith of god will make up for your lack of faith. that's what this scripture means when it talks about having faith
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the size of a mustard seed. a mustard seed is one of the smallest seeds you can find. god was saying even when your faith is low, when you're discouraged, when you have doubts, god doesn't cancel his plan for your life. god doesn't disqualify you and say, "come on man, you need to have more faith." no, that's when the faith of god kicks in. these moments of favor that have already been established in your future, they're not solely dependent on your faith, the faith of god is going to cause them to show up. you think about peter. he was on the shore, by the lake, early one morning, cleaning his fishing nets and putting away all of his gear. he'd been out fishing all night. he wasn't a disciple yet. he was a rough man. he used rough language. not somebody we would consider to be a person of faith. and jesus asked to borrow his boat, he taught the people in the crowds there.
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afterwards, jesus said to peter, "go launch out into the deep and you'll catch a great number of fish." that's how jesus was going to pay him back for using his boat. but peter said, "jesus, we've been fishing all night, nothing is biting. besides, this is not the right time to fish." jesus said in effect, "peter, i control the fish. there may not have been fish out there earlier but i can guarantee you there are fish out there now." notice, peter didn't have any faith but that didn't stop god. jesus didn't say, "peter, i'm trying to help you but you're such a doubter." even though he didn't have faith, jesus said, "that's all right, the faith of god will make this happen." when your faith is low, when you find it hard to believe, when doubts are bombarding your mind, don't worry, god is not only full of mercy, he's full of faith. his faith will hold you over
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until your faith can be strengthened. peter got out there and caught so many fish that his boat began to sink. god showed him something that he had never seen. he had been out fishing on that lake for years many times. he knew when to fish, where to fish, what to use. but this day, something happened that was unprecedented, out of the norm. in the same way, you can be going to work, doing the same thing, the same way, everything looks just normal, ordinary, but then you come into one of these set times. these moments of favor. you weren't expecting it. you didn't have the faith for it. you didn't deserve it, but like peter, suddenly a good break, a promotion, a healing, restoration. it's more than you could imagine. it's overwhelming. it's something you've never seen. that wasn't your faith, that was the faith of god.
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right now, in your future, there are these moments of favor that are going to catapult you to a new level. some of you have been facing a sickness a long time and you don't really know if you have the faith to get well. that's okay, god has you covered. when you come into this moment of favor, like the blind man, sickness doesn't have a chance. health, healing, wholeness will flood your body. god can do what medicine cannot do. you may think that you could never get out of debt, you've tried. you keep having setbacks, you've settled there. that's all right, the faith of god is at work in your life. there are moments of favor that are going to thrust you into abundance. i read about this couple. they had both lost their jobs. all kinds of things had come against them. and unfortunately, they were about to lose their house. they had done everything they could to try to get the funds but it just hadn't worked out. they started selling off their possessions.
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a little here, a little there. they got so desperate, they decided to sell all of their furniture. everything inside and out. patio furniture. lawn mower. washer. dryer. everything. they put it on e-bay. had pictures of it all. and somehow word got out that the reason they were selling was to try to pay their mortgage and save their house. a lady in another state bid $20,000. her bid by far was the high bid, nothing else even came close. they accepted her bid. when they went to make arrangements to have the furniture shipped, the lady said, "i don't want your furniture. that's a gift you can have to keep your house." they had never met the woman, never talked to her, never seen her. that was a moment of favor. they didn't have faith for it. that was the faith of god, saying, "i'm going to show you something that you've never
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seen. i'm going to cause somebody out of the blue to be good to you." you may be facing situations, you don't know how it's going to turn out, how you could accomplish your dreams. that's okay. god has it all figured out. he's already lined up the right people, the right opportunities, solutions to problems. just like with this couple, at the right time, you're going to come into your moment of favor and it's going to cause you to overcome, cause you to step into the fullness of your destiny. i talked to a gentleman out in the lobby not long ago. he was in town for treatment at md anderson, the cancer hospital. he had some kind of tumor in his stomach area. he'd gone through chemotherapy but that hadn't helped. now they were going to try surgery. it was very risky but this was his only option medically speaking. his whole family was here; a wife, son, two beautiful daughters. they were weeping as
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he was telling the story. we prayed and asked god to make a way where we couldn't see a way. he said, "joel, i'm trying to have faith, but i'm so worried. i'm so afraid." almost like he was apologizing. and i told him what i'm telling you. when your faith is weak, the faith of god is strong. when your faith is low, the faith of god is high. you have somebody standing in the gap for you. the scripture says, "jesus is at the right hand of the father constantly praying for us." it's one thing to have me pray, a friend pray, a prayer partner pray, that's all great. but don't ever forget the son of god, the one who raised from the dead, the one who defeated our enemies, the one who speaks worlds into existence, he's praying for you right now. this man came back a couple of weeks later with his family. when they took the final x-ray
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before the surgery, they couldn't find the tumor anymore. that surgeon said that in 16 years, he'd never seen anything like that. this man had big tears running down his cheeks. he said, "joel, i didn't even have faith. my mind was filled with doubt, yet god did the miracle anyway." that's the way our god is. he knows we're human, we get discouraged, we have doubts. but i've learned you don't have to have great faith in order for god to do something great. you can have small faith and god will move a mountain. you don't have to have strong invincible, unwavering faith. i hope you do. but even if you don't, if you'll just keep honoring god, keep being your best, then his faith will make up for your lack of faith. that's what paul said in romans 2:20, "the life i live now, i live by the faith of the son of
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god." paul wrote over half of the new testament. overcoming incredible odds. he was saying, i didn't make it just by my own faith, my own strength, my own determination, i had a secret weapon. i fulfilled my destiny because of the faith of god. you may be facing a situation today that looks impossible. your health. your finances. a relationship. all the odds are against you but be encouraged. the faith of god is at work in your life. there are moments of favor god has already established in your future. god is not only going to bring you out, he's going to do something unprecedented, out of the ordinary, something that you've never seen. i know this mom. she was praying for her son. trying to get him in church, year after year, but he just wasn't interested. he was on the wrong course, running with the wrong crowd.
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and started selling drugs. and it seemed like the more she prayed, the worse he got and the more discouraged she became. he ended up in jail. and this mom was so heartbroken. and these thoughts bombarded her mind saying, "no use praying. it's too late. your prayers aren't doing any good." she was so discouraged that she found it hard to pray. but even when we don't believe. even when we're tempted to give up, the good news is god doesn't give up. that's when his faith kicks in. one sunday morning, her son, was in the jail watching television in this common area. another inmate came in and they began to argue over what they were going to watch. they started wrestling over the remote control trying to get it away from each other. about that time, this huge inmate walked in, he stood about six foot six, he had huge muscles bulging out of his shirt. he looked like a professional
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football player. he walked over, grabbed the remote control and said, "give me that thing. i'll decide what we're going to watch." he started flipping through the channels and he came across our program and stopped. he said, "we're going to watch joel." well, her son, he turned around to walk out of the room. he thought, "i'm not going to watch some tv preacher." he's already mad. this big inmate grabbed him by the shirt, pulled him down and said, "sit down, you're going to watch with me." i like that guy. he'd make a good usher. (laughter) they started...i'm only kidding. ushers, don't get any ideas. they started watching the program. this young man began to feel god's love and presence like never before. he started weeping. right there in the jail, that big inmate led that young man to christ. do you know, that young man is at our services all the time now, sitting next to his mother.
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god did something that she had never seen. he walked in to one of those moments of favor god had already destined for his life. for thedy first time now, her son is in church. my message for us today is get ready. god has some first times for you. for the first time, you're totally out of debt. for the first time, you're healthy, whole, strong. for the first time, your whole family is serving god. for the first time, you meet the right person; you fall in love. you may not see how this could happen. that's okay. the faith of god is going to get you to where you're supposed to be. what god is about to do is going to be bigger, it's going to be more rewarding. it's going to be something that you have not seen. i declare and believe over each one of you, favor like you've never seen, creativity like you've never seen, opportunity, healing, restoration, vindication, joy, victory like
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you've never seen in jesus' name. if you receive it, can you say "amen" today? well we never like to close our broadcast without giving you an opportunity to make jesus the lord of your life. would you pray with me? just say, "lord jesus, i repent of my sins. come into my heart. i make you my lord and savior." friends if you prayed that simple prayer, we believe you got born again. get in a good bible based church, keep god first place. he's going to take you places that you've never dreamed of. . joel and victoria would like to send you a copy of joel's new series, "further faster" as a thank you for your support of our ministry. in this encouraging series, you'll be challenged to put god first and see how god can speed up things in your life. god is going to take you further, faster. god wants to accelerate things in your life. he's already lined up the right
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people, the right opportunities. you may feel like you're falling behind. but one touch of god's favor can put you years ahead. god has ways to do things that you've never even thought of. stay in faith. he's going to take you further, faster. i hope you request this resource, it'll be a great help to you. to request your copy of "further faster, god's plan for acceleration in your life', visit us at or call us toll free. . . victoria and i are praying for you and your family. we believe 2013 is going to be your best year so far. thanks so much for your prayer and your support. a special thank you to our champion of hope partners for all you do to make the ministry possible. . . from #1 new york times bestselling author, joel osteen, comes his new book, "i declare, 31 promises to speak over your life." if you want to know what you're going to be like five years from now, just listen to what you're saying about yourself today. the words we speak set the
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